Call me simple Rush but...
I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today and he got to calling the left the "blame America first" crowd yet again. He was discussing the "fact" that America does not create terrorists. I got to thinking about the Iraqi insurgents and wondering, "Would ALL these insurgents be aggresive against America's brave soldiers had we not started the war in Iraq?" I got to thinking about my family as well. Put the two thoughts together and I was left with, "No, I don't think a lot of the insurgents would be terrorists."
My reasoning behind this is simply, if a foreign invader came here to America, odds are good I would pick up arms to defend myself and my family if we were put in danger. If by chance they wounded or killed an innocent member of my family, I would do whatever I could to avenge the death of my family member. Had that foreign invader never ended up on my country's soil, I wouldn't pick up arms against anyone. Therefore by that foreign military invading my country, wounding a family member, they created a "terrorist." It's simple when it all comes down to it, Rush. Take off the empathy free tin-foil hat of hate you're wearing and feel some, you might just get a new outlook on life!!
My reasoning behind this is simply, if a foreign invader came here to America, odds are good I would pick up arms to defend myself and my family if we were put in danger. If by chance they wounded or killed an innocent member of my family, I would do whatever I could to avenge the death of my family member. Had that foreign invader never ended up on my country's soil, I wouldn't pick up arms against anyone. Therefore by that foreign military invading my country, wounding a family member, they created a "terrorist." It's simple when it all comes down to it, Rush. Take off the empathy free tin-foil hat of hate you're wearing and feel some, you might just get a new outlook on life!!
posted by DeLLBerto | 18:27
27 Comments:
Rush has never had to experience any type of oppression in his pampered life. Desperation can bring about behavior we never thought we were capable of. The fact that he has an audience of more than a couple of dozen people scares the hell out of me.
It scares me too. Empathy is one of the greatest emotions one can have I believe. Our President has none, I don't think many in his administration do either. It's damn scary, it really is.
You're right, life was so much better under Sadaam Hussein. It must have been great as a woman wondering when you were going to be raped or when the guard would come in and just murder your whole family. It must be awful having American soilders in their right now attempting to keep the peace and allowing Iraqi's a chance at a democratic society. There were no terroists before we invaded Iraq. For some insane reason, some group of Saudi's decided that it would be fun to become terroists only after the US invaded Iraq.
They are terroists...not insurgents. The Towers are the first example, but then we have the subway in London, the train in Madrid and the thwarted attempt in Australia. Finally, if they are just trying to get rid of the US, why blow up a hotel/wedding in Jordan? Why send suicide bombers in a restaurant and kill Iraqi soliders?
What is the difference you ask between our ideologies? I teach my child to love my neighbor, be him yellow red black or white, Jewish, Atheist, Christian, Hindu....Islamic extremist teaches their child to strap a bomb on themselves and blow my child up...do you want that in the US or is it better to fight this war on foreign soil or here?
I teach my child to love thy neighbor as well. I am a Christian but have to ask about "extremist" Christians telling Dover, PA to not ask God for help because they just rejected him? Or calling for the assasination of Chavez? Or bombing abortion clinics? The terrorist attacks you mentioned happened since the Iraq war. I know 9-11 happened here, but Iraq had nothing to do with that. Even Dick Cheney said so. Instead of going after the culprit bin Laden full bore, we go half assed because we went into Iraq. I don't know what kind of intelligence we had, fabricated or not, but at the time we went in we had another job to finish, that has been left undone. I directed you to that blog because it is from a girl in Baghdad, who would probably know how life was before and now.
Dell, you seem well intentioned but ill-informed. Iraq may not hve been the center of terrorism pre-war, but that down not mean terrorism did not exist pre-war. Of course it did.
Now, if it existed before we went into Iraq, it seems illogical to believe, if we were NOT in Iraq, terrorism would cease. Perhaps it would decline, perhaps it would not. We will see.
Is the reason terrorism exists the fact we are in Iraq? I would have to say no. It may be an exascerbating factor, but our presence in Iraq did not invent terrorism. Terrorism pre-dated our invasion.
Acts of radical Islamic militant terrorism go back decades. Decades. You are looking to a short term solution for a long term problem.
Keep digging, keep researching. You're doing good.
I never said our invasion of Iraq created terrorism, but I did say our invasion of Iraq created more terrorists. I think this article sums up what I've been saying:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-11-17-bomber_x.htm
For instance Dell, the bombings in Jordan last week ---
The terrorists listed three reasons for their attacks. One reason was the US presence in Iraq. What were the other two?
Dell, you really have to keep up your end of the conversation here, bro.
Jordan being allies with the US and Israel.
Israel and US intelligence officers were meeting at the hotel.
I'm trying, I really am. (Keeping my end of the conversation) LOL
#1 - Good. That's right
#2 - No. The fact that Jordan's government is allowing non-Muslim condoned behaviors such as drinking alcohol, open dating, and 'loose women' as defined by freedom of movement and dress. In other words, they are not being 'fundamentalist' enough.
So here we have a violent movement bent on the destruction of US forces and influence, the destruction of Isreael, and the freedom of religious practices.
Are we going to eradicate all that? Are we going to sign off on all that too? Because if we believe the answer to the problem lies strictly in the absence of US from Iraq, we have under-diagnosed the cause, and the threat. We will have to also agree to the removal of a sovereign state (Israel) and also personal freedom for Middle Eastern people. Otherwise terror, as we have seen, will continue.
But I applaud you Dell, because you are not just swallowing what others have told you. You are investigating for yourself. The truth will out. Just keep searching, my friend.
All the best.
Thank you anonymous.. all the best to you too.
I do believe the threat of terrorism will continue no matter what we do. The Middle East has always had a problem with such an issue. I believe our presence in Iraq has made the problem worse, as evidenced by the article and has made recruiting for terrorist groups easier, because they can see the "infidel" in Iraq. Terrorism by Muslim to Muslim, because one group/country is to secular/conservative is not the fault of America, but I still believe our presence in the Middle East makes recruiting that much easier for them. Using the argument from my original post, to me it does stand to say that yes, we do create terrorists.
I think you have an extremely oversimplified view of the world.
Maybe I do have an oversimplified view of the world but my oversimplified view of the world is right. Think about my original post and tell me protecting my family or wanting revenge on an occupying foreign military is oversimplified. I don't believe it is. Basically what you're saying is this to me, correct me if I'm wrong: Foreign military invades home country, wounds family member, life is peachy?? Maybe you have an oversimplified view if you cannot see where people might be angry having a foriegn occupier in their country.
Yes, Dell, I can see where people would be angry about other people occupying their nation.
Now how does that relate to the current wave of terrorism sweeping the Netherlands? Or Sweden?
You have to take all of the evidence into account, or you will end up with a false conclusion.
Your premise does not account for all the facts. Keep digging.
I hate to say it, but it's because the countries are supporting the US in occupying Iraq.
Sweden has never supported the US involvement in Iraq. Sweden never even supported the Allied position in WWII. So your premise is flawed.
Your position seems to be that the United States is, directly or indirectly, at the root of all terrorism. That it ultimately can be traced to our doorstep. Simplistic.
My position is there are multiple factors involved, and need to be addressed if this problem is to be solved. Complex.
See what you can find out about the terrorist violence in Malaysia, the Philippines, and incresingly in Europe. Can you find a common deniminator (s) ?
Dell, I believe you are at heart a good man. Keep looking, keep learning, and don't make up your mind based on just what people tell you. Open the record, look at the facts, make up your own mind.
Don't be so eager to please people, and belong to a group, that you check your mind at the door. Be a thinker. Be Godly. Be wise in the ways of men. And seek the truth. I think good things are ahead of you.
I think the only common demoninator I can find is the hatred for Israel. I know that terror is more complex then I made it sound, I was just referring to those in Iraq. It stems from a lot of reasons I think, such as not conservative enough following Islam, hatred for Israel, hatred for America and anyone who supports America. The most glaring are the secular/conservative battle and hatred for Israel.
Dell:
Bingo.
So you see, pulling troops out of Iraq will not make this problem go away. Maybe it will diminish things in the short term, but it not a long term solution. We must work together to find REAL solutions, not quick fixes.
I don't know what those solutions might be. So I must study more as well. :)
Good job.
I don't necessarily support pulling the troops out of Iraq myself. I don't support staying the course though either. I believe we need to set goals to meet, with the help of the Iraqi people to meet them. I think Rep. Murtha's idea was a good one, but could've been misunderstood has pulling out right now. I don't think that's what he wanted, I think he wanted some sort of timetable set. I see light at the end of the tunnel in regards to Iraq, we just have to set an exit strategy, using goals as a barometer on when to leave.
By the way, thanks for the debate this evening. I enjoyed it. :)
You are most welcome, Dell. I enjoyed it too. Happy Thanksgiving!
and a Happy Thanksgiving to you too.
"What is the difference you ask between our ideologies? I teach my child to love my neighbor, be him yellow red black or white, Jewish, Atheist, Christian, Hindu....Islamic extremist teaches their child to strap a bomb on themselves and blow my child up...do you want that in the US or is it better to fight this war on foreign soil or here?"
---- Hook, line and sinker you fall.
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